Attention Borg. I am Merneus Clagar, Chapter Master of the Ultramarines.

We have scanned your ship. You are blasphemers the likes of which even I have rarely seen. Submissive to a Hive Mind even more vile than that of the Tyrannids. Working together with aliens in an alliance obviously far deeper and far more vile than even the Tau would dream. Weilding technology more wretched and abnormal than the Eldar. Fusing your human forms with machinery in a manner even more grotesque than the Necrons. Your heresy is clear. In the name of the Emporer, the one true God,you are hereby judged. There can only be one punishment:

EXTERMINATUS!"

COURAGE AND HONOUR! FOR THE EMPORER!

>>287
one marine has been assimiled we now have you technology and have adpedt to your weapons.
Resistance is futile

How would you adapt to non-energy weapons like bolters exactly? Or chainswords fopr that matter?

>>289

EX-TER-MIN-ATE!

couldn't we convince the Borg that the space marines are already assimilated by introducing them to the Machine God? Then just tell the borg to go self-destruct an theyd listen?

>>289
your assuming 'the warp' and 'warp speed' are similar speeds and somewhat comparable, where as they are not. according to warhammer 40k lore, the warp is completely independent from real space, and things in it would therefore not be detectable or attackable by star trek sensors, however, warp speed is using a subspace bubble, thus putting ships partially out of normal space and distorting the timespace continuum around the ship, so a Borg or federation vessel is also undetectable for the empire, and also moving far to fast to ever hope to hit with material weapons, and since star trek lore proves borg vessels highly resistant to laser based weapons (phasers and disruptors working off of separate quantum particles) The only weapon of great effect is presumably boarding

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Sigh Right,since we're already going down this path, we may as well have a good and proper crossover fight. I'll start things off with the following statements and arguments:
*The Warp corresponds to real points in the Materium, since the Warp is used in navigation both in and out of the Warp, and it is possible to find a sentient being in real space with knowledge of their warp signature.
*The Warp is known to crossover randomly and inexplicably into real space.
*So does subspace.
*The Warp houses sentient beings capable of temporarily projecting themselves into real space.
*So does subspace.
*From this (admittedly weak) setup, subspace is a part of (if not actually) the Warp.
**This means that each others physics, and so, their systems more or less apply to each other.
*Federation FTL technology relies on partially submerging a ship in subspace to bend space and time around it so it can go faster relative to its surroundings
*Tau's FTL capacities are roughly the same in principle.
*Borg FTL relies on submersion into a domain of subspace to enhance their FTL speeds
*Imperial ships completely go into the Warp; so something roughly analogous.
**Borg and Imperial ships go at roughly the same speeds.
*Borg weapons are not capable of handling certain energy levels, despite repeated exposures to them; these levels include anything capable of damaging a cube beyond its ability to regenerate/repair itself (on the ship-scale level).
*Imperial ships are capable of wasting entire planets, sometimes with one cannon on one ship (a Nova Cannon), or with full broadsides of their batteries (Lance Cannons).
**Imperial ships are able to overpower the Borg's adaptive ability.
*In no instance has the energy shields of a Borg activated when hit by a close combat weapon, or a solid projectile.
*The Imperium's chock full of projectile weapons, especially Marines.
**The Borg would likely fall to marines in a firefight, and definitely in close-combat.

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Borg weapons are not capable of handling certain energy levels, despite repeated exposures to them; these levels include anything capable of damaging a cube beyond its ability to regenerate/repair itself (on the ship-scale level).

but cubes have tranmited infromation about a tactic(or weapon) to another cube so that it can adapt.
example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNUoe1vMFX0
later in a star trek novel the same trick failed because the ship got off a transmission.
ergo what kills one cube won't kill the next.

The Borg would likely fall to marines in a firefight, and definitely in close-combat.

definitely a win long range,but the borg have nanoprobe injectors so they assimilate enemys in close combat

**Borg and Imperial ships go at roughly the same speeds.
do imperial soild mass weapons have a built in connection to the warp?
borg weapons function at warp speed

Imperial ships are capable of wasting entire planets, sometimes with one cannon on one ship (a Nova Cannon), or with full broadsides of their batteries (Lance Cannons).

can they fire in warp
straffeing runs for win

>>293
MOST IMPORTANTLY
borg have time travel (as seen in first contact)
NOW WHAT!!

Ok, I'll admit my knowledge of Imperium Naval forces is somewhat limted, but I do know that the Ultramarines can field the most large vessels of any Space Marine chapters, and since they answered the challenge, and have the most experiance fighting a hive mind, lets go with that.

Now, the Borg have been shown to defeat huge fleets of Starships in both TNG and First Contact. Of course, in TNG at Wolf 395 they had a huge tactical advantage, but at the Battle of Sector 01 in First Contact the Federation had every advantage in terms of new technology and new ship designs and new tactics, but the Borg still blew away dozens of Starships, though they did take extensive damage.

In traditional combat space naval combat, a Borg Cube is nigh invincible. Even if a large flotilla of Imperial ships could pound their way through the shield and start tearing the hull apart, the cube could probably destroy any ship in a 1-4 shots (thats about avergae from a cube) giving the Imperium high attrition, in addition to being able to repair itself, which could outrun the damage as the Marines loose ships

However, if we assume a Nova Cannon can do enough damage to cripple or lead to the chain reaction destruction of a cube, it become a differant ball game, as the drones use their vastly superior Star Trek transporter technology to engauge the Space Marines on the planet and/or their ships (The average cube has over 10,000 drones as crew)

Obviously, the borg can adapt to a lot of the space marines weapons, like lasweapons, Plasma weapons, flamers and melta tech. But bolters and melee weapons like Chainswords or Power claws are not energy based, and may not be adaptable (Those borg didn't seem to have any way of adapting to Jean Luc Picard's tommygun on the holodeck) The question then becomes how melee combat between Borg and Space marines go. Can their enhanced biology resist nanoprobes and assimilation is another good question.

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obviously the borg can't win except in close range
Can their enhanced biology resist nanoprobes and assimilation?

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Borg have time travel they win automaticly!

Tampering with the timeline is way to dangerous, and I doubt the Borg would resort to it. The only reason they're willing to do so against the Federation is a combination of the fact that they continually provide effective resistance where more technologically advanced species do not (IE, they provide a continual and growing threat) and because Jean Luc Picard, as a freed drone, has knowledge of Borg technology that he has proven is a majortactical weakness. It was a desperation move on the queen's part.

More importantly, however, is in crossovers instant wins are boring. Why not just say the Emporer senses the threat of the Borg and focuses the entire psychic might of the Astronomicon on them before they can even start fighting the Space Marines, frying their collective consciousness in one mighty psychic blast?

First we must consider the Borg as one of the most flawed aliens in sci-fi. Why? Because in Star Trek First Contact we get to see Worf carve up a Borg with his batleth which means the Borg's personal defense shields are useless against edged and possibly projectile weapons. We can assume this because surly the Borg have encountered Klingons before as there are Klingon Borgs. So the Borg must have encountered combat with material weapons. Seeing Worf is still able to carve up that Borg drone, therefor the Borg have no defense against weapons that make use of solid mass. Any Trekkie that tries to say other wise is an idiot for defending such a major plot hole.

So even the Orks with their bolt guns and choppas will loot the Borg and their ship in a matter of hours.

Any captain of a Star Trek ship once boarded by Borgs can win by just ordering. "Fire up the replicators and start handing out the shot guns! Assimilate this!"

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>Can their enhanced biology resist nanoprobes and assimilation?

Possibly - if I remember my Marine biology right, they can go into some sort of hyper-efficient de-toxification trance, where they just hammer both hearts in attempt to purge the blood? Species 8472 held off the Borg by having super-white blood cells. Of course, the question is also could the Borg get those assimilation tubules through power armour?

As I recall, though this may be from expanded universe material, which for star trek isn't technically canon, Borg assimilation tubiles are designed to pierce through most kind of defensive alloys and armoring, not to mention energy fields.

And it wasn't just their hyper evolved immune systems that prevented them from being assimilated, it was also their extremely dense and complex genetic structure. After reviewing the wikipedia entry on gene-seed organs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene-seed , I question whether it can effectively resist assimilation by their desciptions. As far as I can tell, Space Marines are normal humans, with a series of organs designed to make their bodies more resistant to physical punishment and more capable of surviving in dangerous environments. The human body just doesn't have any way to effectively destroy nanomachinery. Our defenses are are chemically based, which is great for toxins and diseases, but not so much for metal.

Frelling Win! Somebody needs to screencap this!

A puny Imperial frigate or destroyer is 1.5 - 2km in length. Their cruisers are 4km+ in length and these are the mainstay of the fleet. Battleships can be up to 8km in length.

It's safe to say the Borg will be outgunned and outmassed...

As far as close combat goes, the borg will be able to swiftly outnumber the spacemarines using teleportation, however the borg will die really easily due to their slowness, and energy sheilds not helping against bolters. The Marine's armour will provide some level of defense against assimilation, and even if one gets assilimated he will just be decapitated by the next one. As far as ship to ship goes, the borg may be able to fire in warp, and strafe them out. someone who knows more about this than me, explain how spacemarine tactics and warp tech works, could they escape destruction in this case by going into the warp?

Uh, I think the Borg would probably get their asses handed to them. If not by humans, then by orks calling a Waaagh when they see his new opponent.

In the W40k universe, no race is as good with tractor beams and energy shields as the orks-- so they'd easilly be able to board in ship to spacehulk battles, which means lots and lots of torn apart borgs. The best kind, ya know?

I think the Borg would probably suffer the same fate as the Necrons if they tried to enter the warp-- they'd fail. If I remember correctly, it requires a strong psychic presence to do so, and the borg's systems are purely technological in nature. The Tau, can't enter the warp by themselves, for example-- their faster than light travel is purely technological in nature.

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If I remember correctly, Tau/Dark Age of Technology Mankind travelled by basically getting close to the warp, dimensionally speaking, and being shoved back out. It's slow, but it worked.

The Imperium's warp travel is faster, but much more dangerous.

And we still have no fucking clue how the Necrons do it. My theory is gravity manipulation to the point that physical laws are bent in such a manner as to make intertia-less travel possible.

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My favorite thread revived?! YAY!

Yes, as I recall, travel through the warp itself does require an actual psychic presense, so that could be a way for them to escape.

However, the Borg themselves aren't completely without "psykers" of a sort. There are many races in Star Trek with telepathic and telekinetic abilites. Admitedly, with the likes of the Vulcans it can take a lifetime of experiance, training and discipline to even begin to approach the kind of power 40K psykers have, but for some other races, such as the Betazoids or the Okampans, Psychic powers can manifest into abilities that dwarf those of even the Eldar Farseers (pic related).

The hiccup then is 1) If the borg's psykers can provide the collective with the means to navigate the warp and 2) How they would figure out how to do it. 2 is easy, it just requires assimilating the right person. 1 is trickier, and depends a lot on exactly how warp navigation is performed and if Star Trek psychic abilites are "compatible"

I'd think if the Borg assimilated psykers, then the hive mind would have pysker abilities, and daemons would see it as an all-you-can-eat buffet.

The only other hive minds are the Tyranids, and they cause a shadow in the Warp. Maybe the Borg would do the same, esp. since the Warp is emotions made manifest and the Borg have excised emotion from themselves?

I can see Bord assimilating wyrdboyz orkz, to try to learn psyker abilities, and never quite learning it once that first pysker explodes his head and every head in the same hivemind.

An alpha level psyker would tear a borg cube apart in seconds.

The borg are in the wrong universe.

Time travel is out. By nature it screws causality to hell and that can be predicted and counterd. Eldrad alone would have atleast three different contingencies in the works.

The ork waaahg would make assimilation suicidal.
Eldar are a psychic race and have much experience in battles of wills.
The tyranids would just EAT the borg.
The Necrons wouldn't give them the time of day, The borg would take decades trying to figure out how to assimilate necrodermis.
Chaos daemons would pwn them due to their illogical nature.
Spacemarines wouldn't let themselves be assimilated, they'd just beat the shit out of any drone that tried.
The tau and Imperial guard would simply overwhelm borg shields.

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I'm Odin, this is my brother Yahweh, this is my other brother Yahweh.

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You all forget one major thing: The borg would assimilate in melee combat and do not care about losses. They can also assimliate ships and vehicles and LOVE melee combat. That is their strong point.

Whats this? an ark waaagh? hey, something will get assimilated. all they need is a grot. a single grot. and now they have techno squigoths. remember? all orkoids have the dna potential to produce EVERY strain of orkoid in their dna. There is a similar issue with using krrot against them. and the borg looting tau technology would be REAAALY bad. Borg SPheres with rail cannons and drones with built in crisis suits.

Yes bolters would wreck face. Unfortunately that doesnt help the minute dreadnoughts are assimilated.
as for the nids? the borg queen would see them as a buffet. another hivemind? and they only live to eat and reproduce? awesome. assimilate them all and merge the hive minds.

Ultimately, chaos and the necrons are the only ones capable of putting on a fight ( and possibly the eldar, if they can get enough avatars together to reform Khain or if they can summon Cegorach).

The eldar can hide in the web way and chaos is too chaotic to be assimilated.

everyone else either gets strafed (because they can fire from warp speed and imperials can't) or gets assymilated. The size of imperial ships doesnt matter when you have borg drones inside, assimilating everything mechanical in sight to get body aror. Just think what happens if a singl borg drone sneaks on a space marine ship and assimilates a suit of terminator armor?